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An updated Schick History and I need your help

 
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Singlewedge



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:24 pm    Post subject: An updated Schick History and I need your help Reply with quote

So I have contacted Pfizer to see if they have any information for Schicks from when they acquired Warner Lambert.

I tracked down some information from the serial numbers that are provided at http://www.safetyrazors.net/schick/schicktech.htm through the US Patent office.

Here is what I have learned:

I know that 1806087 refers to the injector system of sliding blades into a holder.  This was first patented to inject a straight razor in 1931.

I then know that 1969945 refers to the head and not the handle.  The first patent was applied for and granted in 1934 which is the injector with the diamond shape at the bottom of the handle.  All subsequent years are based on this head model.

I know that 2058633, which is the all metal or alloy razor, was not designed by Schick, but used its system for blade insertion.  Octavious Victor Rodriguez, applied for the patent in October 1936 using the same attorney as Mr. Schick did.  However this was not designed by Mr. Schick.

I know that 2911713, which was the first redesign in 25 years of the handle and head, was invented by Leopold Karl Kuhnl and the blades appeared to be redesigned as well.  The patent was granted in November 1959.

So from 1934 through 1959 no major improvements to the line were done.  Where I differ in my research, which is still ongoing, from the author of the site is that he proposes that the serial numbers refer to machinery and plants where the items were made.  On the contrary my research reveals that the numbers are just patent numbers with no dating.  The 180 number is the patent number for the injector that accompanies the razors followed by the razors patent number.

The only way to track the progress of the razors year by year is through magazine articles, boxes, instructions, and hopefully Pfizer.

If you have any complete Schicks that have instructions or special offers with them can you scan them and email them to me so that I can let the author of the site in on this and then update my own information.  What I am really looking for are copyright dates or this offer expires in X dates.

Your help is greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a great project! Good luck with that. Sorry I don't have anything for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went home and looked at the injector for my 66.  It has the same number as the razor and a B348 number.

What I can gather from this is that the 180 patent number is the number for the injector delivery system and the 19 number is the number for the razor and newer injector.  The B348 number is probably what the site owner was talking about with machines and plants.  Problem is that if the injector gets separated there is no way to track anything.

The good news I guess is that if the injector patent matches the razor patent chances are they go together.

Still working on the information.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I called Pfizer and was told that Johnson and JOhnson owns Schick.  I called J & J.  Nope sold it back to Schick.  Called them and spoke to Liz.  She is forwarding an email to corporate for the following.

Any information regarding the handle color, case color, box color etc, by distribution year.  Eg.  In 1933 black box white lining purple handle.  Also any information that they have to identify the razor by year.  Hopefully I will hear back by Monday.

Hopefully I will not get a big bugger off from them.  I told them that I was only doing this for collectors and that I was not planning on writing a book or making money on the information.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a display of NOS Pal Injectomatics. Do you need pics of instuctions for those?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow. amazing work.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottydoint wrote:
I have a display of NOS Pal Injectomatics. Do you need pics of instuctions for those?


At this point no, but thanks for the offer.  I want to concentrate on Schick then move onto others if time and the wife allows.

I love a pic of it though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Singlewedge wrote:
I love a pic of it though.




Here are a couple pics I took. And I can see they need to be dusted. lol



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they use the same blades as the Schick?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, all the injector razors and blades are compatible. There were never the complicated patent-driven incompatibilities between injector razors that there were with double edge razors.


Here's a list I compiled a long time ago of many (probably most) Schick injector patents, plus a few others:

Patents listed on Schick injector razors:

1452935 (Schick, 4/23)
1584811 (Schick, 5/26)
1652685 (Schick, 12/27)
1797733 (Schick, 3/31)
1806087 (Schick, 5/31)
1969945 (Rodrigues, 8/34)
2058633 (Rodrigues, 10/36)
2911713 (Kuhnl, 11/59)
3203093 (Kuhnl, 8/65)


Other Schick injector razor patents:

D125592 (Rodrigues, 3/41)
D174036 (Glaberson, 2/55)
D174037 (Glaberson, 2/55)
D174120 (Glaberson, 3/55)
D224480 (Glaberson, 7/72)
D228317 (Glaberson, 9/72)
D229876 (Glaberson, 1/74)
D414898 (Grange, 10/99)

1655437 (Schick, 1/2
1715868 (Schick, 6/29)
1724969 (Schick, 8/29)
1724970 (Schick, 8/29)
1730167 (Schick, 10/29)
1756439 (Schick, 4/30)
1767705 (Schick, 6/30) [disposable razor]
1767706 (Schick, 6/30)
1767707 (Schick, 6/30) [disposable razor]
1791042 (Schick, 2/31)
1877429 (Rodrigues, 9/32)
2030703 (Kuhnl, 7/33)
2048565 (Rodrigues, 7/36)
2050244 (Camfield, 8/36)
2060243 (Rodrigues, 11/36)
2065748 (Rodrigues, 12/36)
2066800 (Rodrigues, 1/37)
2072636 (Hilliard, 3/37)
2138353 (Rodrigues, 11/3
2160370 (Rodrigues, 5/39)
2167032 (Rodrigues, 7/39)
2203837 (Morris & Kuhnl, 6/40)
2205568 (Kuhnl, 6/40)
2246368 (Kuhnl, 6/41)
2256810 (Kuhnl, 9/41)
2259163 (Holtzman, 10/41)
2281926 (Ebelhare, 5/42)
2281980 (Kuhnl, 5/42)
2288301 (Reyburn, 6/42)
2288302 (Reyburn & Ebelhare, 6/42)
2296902 (Briggs, 9/42)
2340189 (Karle, 1/44)
2521481 (Rodrigues, 9/50)
2911714 (Preis & Kuhnl, 11/59)


Schick injector blade patents:

2043046 (Kuhnl, 6/36)
2109017 (Rodrigues, 2/3
2111739 (Rodrigues, 4/3
2200752 (Kuhnl, 5/40)
2202468 (Rodrigues, 5/40)
2256543 (Auerbach, 9/41)
2310180 (Kuhnl, 2/43)
2316600 (Kuhnl & Reyburn, 4/43)
2357208 (Kuhnl, 8/44)
2812576 (Kuhnl, 11/57)
3910455 (Ferraro, 10/75)


Patents listed on Schick injector blades:

Not positive if Schick:
2675613 (Peterson, 4/54) [Twinjector razor and case?]

Older Schick non-injector:
1886520 (Briggs, 11/32)


Older Schick electrics:

1690133 (Schick, 11/2
1721530 (Schick, 7/29)
1747031 (Schick, 2/30)
2080096 (Schick, 5/37) [shaving heads]
2365368 (Verschuyl, 12/44)


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